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Post by CHILLIN on Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:28 am

One of our gardeners is from SA. He is pretty short on brain cells, but he has got caught up in this radical political movement based in Guadalalajara. I don't think they are Marxist, but they certainly use pages from that play book. He was kind enough to warn us the other day that Mexicans will be seizing all gringo owned properties and turning them over to "the people". They had a rally in Mezcales last week, telling the revolutionary bros there that they must tone down the rhetoric for now. I don't know if this has anything to do with anything, other than there is group running around convincing themselves they are the new Robin Hoods. If you are gringo in Mezcales, you will not be greeted with friendly smiles. At night, it may be worse.
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Post by CanuckBob on Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:39 am

I moved this post to this section and gave it it's own topic.

BTW.....when you say "gringo" do you mean all foreigner's, all white people or just Americans??

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Post by slainte39 on Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:54 pm

Don't worry, if they exist, it is a very small radical fringe.

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Post by CanuckBob on Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:15 pm

What me worry??

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Post by brigitte on Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:31 pm

I would think it means all foreigners... we have those groups here in Chiapas but they include all non indigenous people and even some indigenous tat do not agree with them..it has been going on for years and I sure would not worry too much about it..

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Post by David on Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:31 pm

CHILLIN wrote:One of our gardeners is from SA. He is pretty short on brain cells, but he has got caught up in this radical political movement based in Guadalalajara. I don't think they are Marxist, but they certainly use pages from that play book. He was kind enough to warn us the other day that Mexicans will be seizing all gringo owned properties and turning them over to "the people". They had a rally in Mezcales last week, telling the revolutionary bros there that they must tone down the rhetoric for now. I don't know if this has anything to do with anything, other than there is group running around convincing themselves they are  the new Robin Hoods. If you are gringo in Mezcales, you will not be greeted with friendly smiles. At night, it may be worse.

Mezcales is the plural of Mezcal. Exactly where is a town named Mezcales located?
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Post by oatsie on Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:40 pm

David wrote:
CHILLIN wrote:One of our gardeners is from SA. He is pretty short on brain cells, but he has got caught up in this radical political movement based in Guadalalajara. I don't think they are Marxist, but they certainly use pages from that play book. He was kind enough to warn us the other day that Mexicans will be seizing all gringo owned properties and turning them over to "the people". They had a rally in Mezcales last week, telling the revolutionary bros there that they must tone down the rhetoric for now. I don't know if this has anything to do with anything, other than there is group running around convincing themselves they are  the new Robin Hoods. If you are gringo in Mezcales, you will not be greeted with friendly smiles. At night, it may be worse.

Mezcales is the plural of Mezcal.  Exactly where is a town named Mezcales located?

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Post by brigitte on Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:49 pm

inland from Barra unless it is a typo for Mezcala or maybe an imaginary town.. who knows and who cares..

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Post by CHILLIN on Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:14 pm

I am referring to the areas west of Chapala, centered around the Island Mezcales, past Vista Del Lagos. This is all ejido land, after recently winning a many year lawsuit against a large Guadalajaran property developer. It is not only an ejido, but also home to a large indigenous culture. They identify with other indigenous cultures in Canada, U.S.A. and Mexico. They are proud of their warrior and raiding roots, they held the Island for something like 20 years against the Spanish. They feel their culture and homelands are under threat of appropriation from outsiders. Recently held a celebration of their  victories - and the Guadalajara Reporter warned than anyone not recognisable to them, should not attend.
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Post by gringal on Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:39 pm

Are you referring to the village next to the island, far east of Chapala?

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Post by David on Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:47 pm

OK, first it's EAST of Chapala and second, the name of the town and the island is Mezcala. The locals held off the Spanish for FOUR years, not twenty, during the war for independencia. http://www.chapala.com/chapala/june2000.htm
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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:53 pm

Just wondering if the gardener happened to say how the properties would be seized and held. Will foreigners just leave, the government stand by while this occurs? Or will there be battles? How will it be decided who gets the newly-seized property and will those who do not get property simply stand by and congratulate their newly enriched neighbors?
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Post by RVGRINGO on Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:44 pm

It goes without saying, doesn‘t it? The large local group occupies the site and the previous occupants are never seen again. Simple.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:11 pm

RVGRINGO wrote:It goes without saying, doesn‘t it?  The large local group occupies the site and the previous occupants are never seen again.  Simple.

But, it is not just one site. It is ALL foreign-owned property. How big is this group?
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Post by brigitte on Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:15 pm

Is it ejido or indian land? Is Tlachichilco part of the territory?

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Post by slainte39 on Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:37 pm

What a meaningless post.....
Wrong name of pueblo, wrong location, and worthless information beyond that.
Will the next post contain information about the believers in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, etc., etc.  How about the Easter bunny....that's coming up. lol!

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Post by David on Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:39 pm

Ha! Well said!
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Post by CanuckBob on Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:46 am

Sounds like Donald Trump is doing some gardening down here in SA.

On the other hand my maid said she heard a group of gringos plotting to seize all the Ejido land and add it to the LCS estate...... Shocked

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Post by gringal on Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:07 am

slainte39 wrote:What a meaningless post.....
Wrong name of pueblo, wrong location, and worthless information beyond that.
Will the next post contain information about the believers in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, etc., etc.  How about the Easter bunny....that's coming up. lol!

Hell with the tooth fairy: I want that pot of gold the little green guy has.
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Post by Trailrunner on Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:16 am

CanuckBob wrote:Sounds like Donald Trump is doing some gardening down here in SA.

On the other hand my maid said she heard a group of gringos plotting to seize all the Ejido land and add it to the LCS estate...... Shocked

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Post by slainte39 on Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:27 pm

gringal wrote:
slainte39 wrote:What a meaningless post.....
Wrong name of pueblo, wrong location, and worthless information beyond that.
Will the next post contain information about the believers in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, etc., etc.  How about the Easter bunny....that's coming up. lol!

Hell with the tooth fairy:  I want that pot of gold the little green guy has.
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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:43 am

I came across an article about the indigenous problems and concerns in Mezcala. There is no mention of seizing property or uprising. Their beef seems to be more with the local government.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/apr/04/the-american-expats-moving-into-the-mexican-riviera-and-breaking-up-indigenous-communities

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Post by gringal on Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:54 am

CanuckBob wrote:I came across an article about the indigenous problems and concerns in Mezcala. There is no mention of seizing property or uprising. Their beef seems to be more with the local government.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/apr/04/the-american-expats-moving-into-the-mexican-riviera-and-breaking-up-indigenous-communities

Thank you for this; it explains the problem.
I understand that they want to continue to keep control of their land, but this problem exists all over the globe, with its roots in .....MONEY. The locals say they want to do the development, but they lack the financial resources themselves, and are hoping the government will help them. Meanwhile the moneyed interests are ready, as always, to swoop in and do it their way. I don't hold out much hope for the townspeople.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:18 am

Thank you for the link, CBob. Facts clearly and logically presented are always appreciated.
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Post by CanuckBob on Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:20 am

Given the concerns, I don't understand why anyone would want to develop anything up there at this point. There is a lot of open land between Chapala and Mezcala and even more on the Southside of the lake. Why bother. I highly doubt this is driven by expat expansion as the article suggests. More likely lower budget development for weekender tapatio's.

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